Comments on: To Hell with Joe Clark

By: Horizonte » Barrierefreiheit

Horizonte » Barrierefreiheit — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:41:36 +0000

[…] Untergründiges. Aus der Kritik an der Arbeit der WAI formierte sich eine alternative Underground-Initiative, eine Art „Geheimbund“: die WCAG-Samurai. Die Samurai fordern Standards ein, die aus ihrer Sicht praxisnah und damit realisierbar sind. Der prominenteste Vertreter dieser Gruppe ist Joe Clark, ein profilierter Journalist und Berater für Zugänglichkeit (accessibility consultant). Während Clark den offen-partizipativen Prozess der WCAG für ineffizient und die gesamte WAI-Arbeitsgruppe für eine „Gurken-Truppe“ hält, will er zusammen mit (selbsternannten) Experten die alte WCAG 1.0 von Fehlern befreien, verbessern und aktualisieren. Die neue (bisher unvollendete) WCAG 2.0 lehnt er vehement ab. Er fordert Webentwickler auf, sich aktiv einzumischen, „damit die sprachliche und inhaltliche Neugestaltung der Richtlinien nicht an ihrem eigenen Anspruch scheitert und die Barrierefreiheit noch vor sich selbst gerettet werden kann.“. Die vielbeachteten Veröffentlichungen von Joe Clark, z. B. der Artikel: „To Hell with WCAG 2“ – deutsche Übersetzung hier – haben natürlich auch Widerspruch hervorgerufen. Nachzulesen z. B. hier […]

By: Resources for WCAG 2.0 ~ intangiblestyle

Resources for WCAG 2.0 ~ intangiblestyle — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:48:46 +0000

[...] been a long, winding road for the W3C’s Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 specification, but it looks to be [...]

By: TilgÃ¦ngelighedsstandarder i store organisationer - InternetMinisteriet

TilgÃ¦ngelighedsstandarder i store organisationer - InternetMinisteriet — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:09:56 +0000

[…] Da W3 pÃ¥begyndte version 2 af deres WAI (web accessibility initiative) wcag standard (web content accessibility guidelines) gav det anledning til megen kritik. Den vÃ¦sentligste kritik bestod af artiklen “To Hell with WCAG 2″ fra A list Apart. Artiklen er forfattet af Joe Clark, der har vÃ¦ret en aktiv deltager i WCAG arbejdet, men som nu har kastet hÃ¥ndklÃ¦det i ringen. Denne kritik blev besvaret af Martin Kliehm i hans post “To hell with Joe Clark” og tilbageviste elementer i Joe Clarks kritik. […]

By: MistakenGoal.com: Website Accessibility

MistakenGoal.com: Website Accessibility — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:03:46 +0000

[...] I write this post for two reasons. First, I am alarmed by my own experiences with webpage development and application procurement in higher education in that accessibility. Despite being a legal mandate for many institutions and a moral mandate for all institutions, accessibility is not even on the radar screen. Itâ€™s not a low priority - itâ€™s not a priority at all. I understand that some of the issues may appear complicated but for us to make no effort whatsoever is shameless and unethical. I place some of the blame on the vendors who continue to ignore the issue (the major projects in which Iâ€™ve helped purchase, configure, and maintain web-based systems left us with no accessibility options unless we developed the systems ourselves; we lacked the resources to develop the systems in-house). [...]

By: fairytells.net

fairytells.net — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:51:18 +0000

[...] Apparament un odieux personnage a critiquÃ© la bonne parole de Joe Clark, sacrilÃ¨ge ! Ouh le vilain ! (remarque, je me sens moins seul maintenant, nous aussi on va pouvoir crÃ©er un groupe de travail le RJWG Â«Rejected by Joe Working GroupÂ») [...]

By: Jens Meiert

Jens Meiert — Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:41:42 +0000

If only you knew either Joe Clark or WCAG (and its Working Group)... I kind of welcome your intents, though.

By: Jeff Croft

Jeff Croft — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:20:19 +0000

JackP: It's always been a dream of mine to play with Joe Clark -- but I'm not talking about D&D.

By: Martin Kliehm

Martin Kliehm — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:19:09 +0000

@JackP: Sure, I’d rather focus on the issues at hand anyway, like Jeff said. We should propose a game for the @media 2007:after socials.

By: JackP

JackP — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:04:43 +0000

@Martin: fair enough. I don't necessarily agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from better now. It had seemed to be that you were dismissive of Joe's arguments because you didn't like his personality. Instead, you're saying his personality hasn't helped matters and as a separate issue, you disagree with some of his points. That's fair enough (although like I say, I don't necessarily agree).

@Jeff: well said.

@Martin: from what Jeff said, can we all be friends now?

@Jeff: PS Do you want to play D&D with us too?

By: Jeff Croft

Jeff Croft — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:56:41 +0000

People would be more apt to pay attention to these accessibility-related discussions if they didn't always degenerate into name-calling and mud-sligning. Start talking about accessibility, and stop talking about each other, and maybe someone will listen.